Deeper Truth Blog: The Catholic Defender: John J Farina Who?

Monday, June 10, 2013

The Catholic Defender: John J Farina Who?

On Tuesday evening at 7:00 Eastern, 6:00 Central, the Ross and Margie show, "The Catholic Roundtable" will respond to the anti-Catholic attacks of John J Farina.

Listen to the show here live:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/deeper-truth/2013/06/11/pray-and-fast-for-john-j-farina

Apparently, Mr. Farina loves to proclaim falsehoods about the Catholic Church, yet he refuses open debate with informed Catholics.

He preys upon the ignorance of people and this is a very sad thing. This is probably the most important tactic utilized by anti-Catholics because they do not like to be held to the truth.

They are infamously known for using the "scatter-gun technique" which is their means to not addressing an issue at hand. To simply keep throwing out their falsehoods trying to keep you busy. They can not nor will not stand on an issue.

Mr. Farina is a stark contrast to what Deepertruth have done in the past. We sought to give the Anti-Catholic every opportunity to raise a debate; we have had neutral participants who acted as referees in our debates, we made sure that each person was able to bring their points and counter points, they were afforded the ability to respond equally.

I want the Anti-Catholic to do their best so that when the debate is completed, there is a record for all to see.

When they want to attack using known forgeries, misconceptions, outright lies, we respond to those for all to see. This is why Mr. Farina will not allow informed Catholics to respond on his Facebook page. He loves to go to Catholics sites to pick a fight, but when they fire back he blocks them.

That is not only cowardly, but it is like raising your hands in victory playing before your own crowd. He appeases those who are already disposed to the anti-Catholic attacks as they will lift him up like a true warrior for God. In actuality, he is no more than a fluttering duck, much like a poorly thrown football barely crossing the line of scrimmage.

Lets take a few samples of what he is saying. This first example is just a little earlier today.

"Imagine, little old me will have Catholics praying and fasting for me, and I will be the topic of a Catholic radio show to discuss my 'errors'........if you click the link, you will see my full name (I am NOT happy about that, but if it gets Catholics to come to me, fine.....I will deal with it)......."

Mr. Farina, the object is not to bring to you Catholics so you can eat them up, but rather, to expose your falsehood. The bible says much about those who would strive to lead people away from the Faith.

Consider Deuteronomy 18:20, "But if a prophet presumes to speak in my name an oracle that I have not commanded him to speak, or speaks in the name of other gods, he shall die."

Catholics, this text ends with this message, "If you say to yourselves, how can we recognize an oracle which the Lord has spoken, know that, even though a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if his oracle is not fulfilled or verified, it is an oracle which the Lord did not speak. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously and you shall have no fear of him."

Ah, but perhaps Mr. Farina might say that is an Old Testament passage, that means nothing to me. Well, for us Catholics this is important, but for those who might be Mr. Farina fans, let me continue:

"Whoever preaches, let it be with the words of God; whoever serves, let it be with the strength that God supplies, so that in all things, to whom belong glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen"

This is a charge for the Catholic Faith, which Christ sent to the nations to Baptize and teach. But with this there is a warning, "There were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will introduce destructive heresies and even deny the Master who ransomed them, bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their licentious ways, and because of them the way of truth will be reviled" (2 Peter 2:1-2).

Here is a statement of Mr Farina, "The Vatican knows this. That's why is was a death sentence to own a Bible for so long. Yup, burned ALIVE for even owning a Bible. Even today, it's discouraged. Catholics OWN Bibles, but they don't READ them."

In looking at his Facebook page, it is filled with such things and even worse as it is filled with such rhetoric.

Here is what the Catholic Church states concerning the Bible: The Sacred Scriptures contain the Word of God and, since they are inspired, really are the Word of God... This sacred Synod (Vatican II) urges all the Christian faithful to learn by frequent reading of the divine Scriptures the "excelling knowledge of Jesus Christ." "For ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ."

Therefore, they should gladly put themselves in touch with the sacred text itself...

And let them remember that prayer should accompany the reading of Sacred Scripture, so that God and man may talk together; for "we speak to him when we pray; we hear him when we read the divine saying: (Second Vatican Council: Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation)

BTW, just going to daily Mass Catholics go through the Bible once every two years, twice every three years with the Sunday/Holy Day Mass. And Catholics are receiving a whole lot of bible. Far more than most if not all other Services.

Was it wrong to hold onto heretic bibles, well, in the word of Mr. Farina, "yep", the bibles should be burned. Not many people in Protestantism is trying to resurrect those heretical bibles. The Jehovah's Witnesses today is a good example. What Mr. Farina is confusing is the heresy of false doctrines which was being espoused by the heretics of the 15th century. There is a difference between civil law and canon law. Listen in tomorrow night!

Just looking at Mr. Farina's Facebook page again, there is so many examples so the show tomorrow night will be great. I am really amazed that anyone of a sound mind could take him seriously?

I do have one more point to raise just to show Mr. Farina's hatred for the Catholic Faith. The following is an example of a flying duck:

Arlene Michelle Hey Johnny...there's an OLPH church just around the block...come on - meet me tonight and we'll TP the Mary statue out front! (iI've always wanted to do that...as well as knock that Dagon hat off the Poop...)
Yesterday at 12:41pm · Like · 2..

Azadi Means Freedom I wanna come...he gene
Yesterday at 12:43pm via mobile · Like..

John J Farina You're in Tennessee Arlene, I'm in New Jersey. More Catholics here. Come on up! Lol.
Yesterday at 12:44pm · Like · 1..

Azadi Means Freedom and I'm in Oregon. A nationwide event??? Lol
Yesterday at 12:45pm via mobile · Like · 1..

Arlene Michelle Actually, I'm surprised there are so many here. In fact, given the street names around that church, I'm lucky I didn't end up buying a house on Madonna St., Notre Dame Ave., or any one of the many streets named after "Mary" or "s
Arlene Michelle BTW, you know what I used to do when I lived in NYC? Go to the various Catholic churches and insert Chick tracts into the Catholic booklets they had for sale on racks at the back, or into the "missals" in the pews.
Slipping "This Was Your Life" into porn mags when I went to the store to buy puzzle books was fun too!
Yesterday at 12:48pm · Like · 2.

What Mr. Farina is in effect doing is vandalism, destruction of private property. But lets play their game for a moment. Dagon was the god of the Philistines, an image of a half man half fish that Sampson destroyed in their Temple. So Mr. Farina considers himself a "Sampson" figure. "The Poop" is a shameful attack on the Pope. This is basically an attack on the use of statues. Mr. Farina falsely accuses Catholics of worshiping statues.

Jack Chick is a notorious liar in his own right.

Christianity Today, a Protestant magazine exposed Chick Comics as being filled with falsehoods.

Alberto Rivera, one of Jack Chick's characters, claimed to have been ordained a Catholic Priest in Madrid Spain and then sent to Brazil to undermine Protestant churches.

It was discovered that while Rivera claimed to be ordained a Priest, he was actually married with two children in a Protestant seminary in the Caribbean.
It was all a fraud.

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The purpose of Deeper Truth is to provide a defense for the one fully true church of Christ. It is not designed to attack or hurt others.

We will speak boldly. We will not whitewash the truth.

Yes, we do believe that there is only 1 truth and the only place on earth where it can be found whole, complete, and uncorrupted is the Roman Catholic Church. Yes, we do feel that we can prove that case.

We can prove it historically, supernaturally, logically, practically and Biblically. And we will, make no mistake about that.

We believe that science and observation and reason are sufficient proofs of the existence of God. We also believe that reason and logic alone are sufficient causes for any human being to suspect that that God would have revealed Himself to us in some fashion. Further, we believe that He has and the historical, practical and supernatural proofs are beyond overwhelming that God has revealed, and continues to reveal, His will to us exclusively through the Roman Catholic Church, which He founded when He lived among us in the historical person of Jesus Christ.

We believe that anyone who has totally given Himself to the whole and objective search for truth cannot help but be drawn towards the light of what the Apostle Paul called the Pillar and Foundation of all truth, that is the Catholic Church.
A mere 77 years after the death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, when some of the young witnesses would still have been alive, St. Ignatius of Antioch said; “Where Christ is, there is His Catholic Church”.

Truer words were never spoken.

For those of you chomping at the bit to discuss (or dare you dream, refute) Catholic teaching, don’t worry, you will get your chance.

Here is what constitutes debate to me. You do not ignore my questions or evidences and simply move on to more questions and or accusations. You do not make accusations, purported as factual, without sufficient original evidence.

That means that you do not make an accusation about what Catholics believe, do or have done or will do without providing an original, verifiable source that can be instantly accessed by any listener of the program.

If you characterize debate as an endless stream of unsupported accusations, you have come to the wrong place.

Here are some examples of what would constitute proof;

If you charge, as fact, that Catholics believe a particular thing, I will expect you to provide a link to an official Catholic source, citing it as a defined doctrine. Sources could include the Catechism of the Catholic Church or a document from a council. Links to anti- Catholic or non-Catholic sources that quote teachings out of context are insufficient.

I will gladly debate you on anything the Catholic Church actually has defined and teaches but I won’t waste my time arguing about what Dave Hunt or Jack Chick falsely claims that we teach.

If you charge, as purported fact, that a belief the church actually does have violates scripture or Christian teaching in some way, be prepared to not only support your arguments but to contest mine. I will debate via Scripture, history, tradition, practicality and logic. If you insist that the debate can only be on Scripture alone because you allege that Scripture is the only authority, I will insist that you provide scripture explicitly establishing that only the written word of God, as contained in a specific canon of books, can be accepted to the exclusion of all else.

Good luck.

If you charge, for example, that Catholic sexual abuse proves that the Catholic church cannot be the true church of God, I will expect you to provide empirical evidence that the rate of sexual abuse among Catholic priests is higher than ministers of other faiths or of the public at large.

The purpose of this show is to show you the truth. I will do so by basis of empirical evidence. If you truly want to see the truth, I can provide it. If you are simply unwilling to see the truth, I cannot help you.

That being said, we know that there are good people in all faiths and that many people of good will are genuinely confused about what Catholics believe and why they believe it.

I will start by giving you 30 basic precepts of what Catholics believe, as a foundation for us to build on. I will then explain exactly how this show will work.

1. We believe that by nature, science and reason alone, God has put sufficient light in every man to realize that the formation and expansion of life cannot possibly be by chance or random action. We believe that science, observation and simple human reason makes it impossible for anyone to truly doubt the existence of an intelligent designer. We believe that anyone who denies such a basic and undeniable fact, does so by force of pride or rebellion, not by force of intellect.

2. We believe that, hard-wired, by the creator, into every human being is a basic knowledge of right and wrong, good and evil. Man can choose to suppress this knowledge but he that will cause an intrinsic rebellion within him. Among this basic knowledge is the truth that murder, stealing, lying, violence, rape and homosexuality are disordered and objectively evil. Again, we believe anyone denying this knowledge isn’t doing so out of an intellectually arrived at position but out of rebellion or pain or pride. This knowledge is as basic as the knowledge that we need to breath, eat, drink, sleep, avoid pain and fight or flee danger. It is instinctive.

3. We believe that each person has in him an irresistible longing for God that battles against an unruly and unreasonable concupiscence. Concupiscence is man’s innate selfish desire. We Catholics define this concupiscence as original sin. Fully giving oneself over to the longing for God will lead to salvation. The most perfect completion of this being in the Catholic Church. A lifetime spent resisting this urge for God, in exchange for the longings of the flesh will lead to a lifetime of misery and-eventually- to an eternity of unimaginable suffering.

4. We believe this God has revealed Himself to us in very specific ways and through very specific people. These people include Prophets, Saints, Apostles and Old Testament Kings. The ways include Miracles and Signs, Sacred Scripture, public and private revelation, sacred tradition and the teachers He has appointed throughout the ages from Abraham to the current Magisterium of today’s Roman Catholic Church.

5. Because of #4, We believe anyone who claims to speak for God has an obligation to demonstrate credentials. We can do so in ways that no other church or religious entity on earth could even dare to claim.

6. We believe this God has been revealed as a singular God who exists in 3 persons, the second of which also took on humanity. We believe this one triune God and only this one triune God is worthy of worship. Anyone who tells you that Catholics worship anyone but the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit is lying to you. It’s just that simple.

7. We believe that this God gave us a moral law that will never pass away and that every single person will face the judgment of God based on the moral law.

8. We believe that Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the Mosaic law.

9. We believe that Jesus Christ, by His life, suffering, death and Resurrection redeemed the world.

10. We believe the graces secured at Calvary are sufficient for the removal of all sin.

11. We believe that salvation is by Christ alone.

12. We believe that salvation is by grace alone.

13. We believe that man must participate in his own salvation and that no man or woman has ever been saved, or ever will be saved by faith alone. That the Bible clearly refutes the doctrine of Salvation by Faith alone is clear almost to the point of excess. Anybody who tells you that man is saved by faith alone is simply repeating a man-made lie, whether or not they may actually believe it.

14. We believe that Jesus Christ created a church that is the Pillar and Foundation of all truth, just as the Bible states. That we have an infallible Bible (and we do) is only because an infallible church gave it to us. That church-and only that Church- is fully and completely entrusted by God with the Scriptures and the Truths of Religion. Everyone else is guessing, to greater or less success, all falling short of the fullness of the truth of Catholicism. In fact…..

15. We believe that, in truth, there is only one true church. Catholic means Universal and we affirm that every single baptized Christian is a member-knowing or unknowing, willing or unwilling- of the Catholic Church and accountable, to the extent of the light of faith within them, to her teachings.

16. We affirm the infallibility and inspiration of Scripture and that all Scripture is useful for reproof, teaching and training in holiness. Nevertheless, we reject the notion of Sola Scriptura and hold the notion of practical sufficiency and the SELF interpretation of Scripture to be self-refuting, untenable nonsense.

17. We hold the teaching authority of the Church, the Sacred tradition of the fathers, and Holy Scripture to all be necessary parts of the Church.

18. We do not believe that any of the members of the Catholic Church are Impeccable, Omniscient, Omnipresent, Divine, Eternal or, in any way, shape, manner or form equal with God. This includes past, present and future members of the Catholic Church. We believe that all members of the Church had to be saved from the stain of original sin by God’s Sanctifying Grace.

19. We believe that Mary was saved by Sanctifying grace from her Mother’s womb, as was John the Baptist. We believe we can prove this scripturally.

20. We do not believe that Mary is God. Anyone who tells you that Catholics worship Mary is a liar. We do believe that She is the MOTHER of God and to deny this is to deny the Incarnation. We also believe that She fulfills the Biblical roles of the Queen Mother, The Ark of the Covenant, the Mother of Christians, the Woman clothed with the Sun and a co-mediatrix, co-redemtrix and advocate that in no manner contradicts 1 Timothy 2:5.

21. We believe that Jesus gave the Catholic clergy the power to anoint, to bind and loose, to preach and interpret Scripture and to forgive sins.

22. We believe that not one soul is saved by any other name than Jesus, even those saved who never heard His name.

23. We believe that not one soul that is saved is not saved by the merits Jesus gives through His Catholic Church, even those who don’t come to fully understand and accept it.

24. We believe that Jesus meant what He said in the 6th chapter of John’s Gospel and that each consecrated host contains the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ.

25. We believe that only the full canon of Scripture as defined by the Catholic Church, 73 books, constitutes a complete Bible and only one carrying an Imprimatur is free from doctrinal error.

26. We reject the doctrine of the Rapture and believe that Christians will have to endure the great tribulation.

27. We reject a strictly futurist view of books like John’s Revelation.
The prophecies concerning the great harlot in Revelation 17-18, for instance, refer to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

28. We reject the assertion that the Israel of today’s world is the Israel of Scripture and find the assertion absurd and untenable. The Church is the new Israel. The Jewish Israel of Scripture is gone, dead, kaput…no more. There is no more temple and will never be. There are no more prophets nor will ever be, no more sacrifice, no more kings, no more Jerusalem. The city is Babylon and a Spiritual Sodom. Revelation 11:8.

29. We reject the doctrine that only Catholics can be saved. God will save who He will. That someone cannot reach the fullness of truth, through their honest efforts, will not be held against him. Those who knowingly reject the truth will perish in their sin and be damned. God will judge all by their works- PERIOD.

30. We do not believe that lying in defense of one’s beliefs, as anti-catholics do, is a virtue but a violation of the commandments of God.

We trust that these subjects and more will make for lively, spirited and- we hope- civil debate.

Remember the word I spoke to you, 'No slave is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours.
~ John 15:20

See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution(17) of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper(18) Eucharist, which is[administered] either
See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out[through their office] the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper(18) Eucharist, which is[administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude[of the people] also be;

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by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude[of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.(2) even as where Christ is, there does all the heavenly host stand by, waiting upon Him as the Chief Captain of the Lord's might, and the Governor of every intelligent nature. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize, or to offer, or to present sacrifice, or to celebrate a love-feast.(1) But that which seems good to him, is also well-pleasing to God, that everything ye do may be secure and valid.

~Saint Ignatius of Antioch, letter to the Smyrnaeans, chapter VIII (AD 110)

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