Wednesday, May 23, 2012

The Catholic Defender: The Position of Joseph

During one of the debates, John was debating George Lujack on the primacy of Peter.

At a certain point I mentioned the biblical foundation in the Old Testament for such a position.

Chiefly Isaiah 22:22 addresses the keys to the Household of David. This is a clear case where the King maintained a Royal Stewart.

I went farther back to the time of Joseph, son of Jacob who had been sold into slavery by his brothers.

The Lord blessed Joseph whiched affected his masters, jailers, those whom helped Joseph in slavery. Then a crisis came to the land of Egypt, the whole Middle East. God's plan was about to be fulfilled.

Joseph was given authority to that of a royal stewart. The language given in Isaiah is clear to what that position held in ancient times: "When he opens, no one shall shut, when he shuts, no one shall open. I will fix him like a peg in a sure spot, to be a place of honor for his family".

Remember, the father of a house has the authority. Lets go back to Joseph, "The Pharaoh said to Joseph, "Since God has made all this known to you, no one can be as wise and discerning as you are. You shall be in charge of my palace, and all my people shall dart at your command. Only in respect to the throne shall I out rank you. Herewith, Pharaoh told Joseph, 'I place you in charge of the whole of Egypt".

I am not saying nor did I ever mean that Joseph nor the royal stewart of the houshold of David were to become equal to or greater than the Pharaoh or the Kings of Israel.

St. Peter was given the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven by the "Son of David". This position of Simon, son of Bar-Jonah, would never become greater than his Master, Jesus Christ, but until the Lord returns, this is the Popes position.

George and his followers are claiming the Pope is the false prophet of Revelation 13:11, and if a Catholic stands for the Pope, you become a "foot soldier" for the anti-Christ. Here is an example of their posting:


This is a direct quote from Donald Hartley's own mouth and can be verified by listening to it from the attached link and fast forwarding to where Donald speaks. Donald's words begin at minute 98:20 and end at 99:36 of the show. I didn't get a chance to address this and call Donald out on his statements, but am doing so here. I believe that when you read (below) and listen (to Donald's own words), this illustrates where Donald's desire is. Donald demonstrates that he is and will be a willing foot soldier of the end-time false prophet (Catholic pope) and anti-Christ world political leader. Remember, before calling me "crazy" or "paranoid," I didn't say these words or coerce them out of Donald; he said them as he spoke freely, revealing where he will be, against God, when the false prophet (Catholic pope) and anti-Christ rise to global domination.

"You look in the Old Testament and you notice that Joseph was one of the sons of Jacob and he was taken to Egypt ...

... But God through His work actually made Joseph into the PRIME MINISTER of Egypt. I mean nobody could BUY OR SELL OR DO ANYTHING without Joseph's knowledge of it ...

... and you see THE KEYS designate AN OFFICE and so you have A POSITION that is established ...

... and so Jesus when He gives the keys to Simon, son of Bar Jonah ..."

A chilling revelation from Donald Hartley.

1. Joseph was made GOVERNOR of Egypt, not PRIME MINISTER (Genesis 42:6).

2. Joseph was 2nd in command to only Pharaoh (Genesis 41:43). This would automatically disqualify the Catholic pope from being 2nd in command as the Catholic pope does not obey the commandments of God, as Joseph did obey the lawful commands of Pharaoh (Joseph never bowed to a graven image idol of Egypt).

3. Joseph was not given any keys by Pharaoh.

4. Joseph foretold of Pharaoh's dreams and He was placed in charge of storing grain and selling the abundance of it when the famine arrived (Genesis 41:56-57). This did not mean that no one could BUY OR SELL OR DO ANYTHING without Joseph's knowledge.

I suppose you take Genesis 41:44 out-of-context. Do you really think that no one could lift their feet (walk) or raise their hands without permission from Joseph? This must be read in context of Genesis 41:43, which makes it clear that Joseph was made a strong political leader of Egypt, that people had to stop what they were doing when he passed and acknowledge him, as they acknowledged Pharaoh.

Here is where your desire will lead to Donald, as prophesied in Revelation. You have shown that you are a willing foot soldier to insure that your Catholic pope (false prophet) becomes as powerful as Scripture foretells that he will become...

REVELATION 13:16-18:
He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that NO ONE MAY BUY OR SELL except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

Do you have wisdom Donald? The Deeper Truth Debates have shown that you do not."

Ladies and Gentlemen, you can see how dishonest this is. It really is not a debate, but an attack on the foundation of our Faith. I reaffirm what I said at the top of this article. Notice the play on words, "Joseph was made a Governor, not Prime Minister"? Regardless of the title, the position is the same. "You shall be in charge of my palace, and all my people shall dart at your command" implies a position equating the second in command. Governor or Prime Minister, the position and the point is the same. To say that Joseph was only in charge of the food rationing is dishonest.

Notice also the attack on the Pope whom they want you to think the Pope changed the natural law of God. These people are pre-Jerusalem Council (48 A.D.) who want to bring back the 7th day Sabbath not recognizing the New Covenant of Christ. They do not recognize the decision of the Catholic Church at the Council of Jerusalem but rather, they side with the "Hellenist" and the "Nazarenes" who were Jewish Priests who converted to Christianity. They sought to maintain the Law of Moses in the Church which would require Gentile Converts to be circumsized. They do not follow the New Testament, they deny the Trinity, they reject the authority of the Church.

Notice their reference to the Keys that I refered to in Isaiah 22, they denied the keys given to Joseph? The Keys is but an expression, it refers to an office. The Pharaoh "took off his signet ring and put it on Joseph's finger. He had him dressed in robes of fine linen and put a gold chain about his neck. He then had him ride in the chariot of his vizier, and they shouted 'Abrek!' before him." Regardless if we speak of this office through the keys or the signet ring, we are talking about the same office.

Notice one of the duties given to Joseph, it was Joseph, "as governor OF THE COUNTRY (prime minister: a governor in modern understanding would be in charge of a state, or territory), who DISPENSED the RATIONS to ALL the PEOPLE" supports what I said, "I mean nobody could BUY OR SELL OR DO ANYTHING without Joseph's knowledge of it ..." The point being, Joseph served as did the Royal Stewart in the household of David. The real issue is that St. Peter was given the Keys (office) by Jesus Christ. The Bishops wear a ring as a sign of their authority. This tradition is rooted in the Old Testament as I have just demonstraited.

(EDITORS NOTE) In taking another look at George's claim that Joseph was the Governor of Egypt, George has proven again to be his own worst enemy. He litterally dove on his own grenade. The Prime Minister role I was talking about would actually be subordinate to the Governor so thank you George for helping make my position even stronger. St. Peter was appointed by Jesus to be his Royal Stewart or Prime Minister which equates to the role of the Royal Stewart in the household of David.

Now comes the crunch, "Revelation 13:11 states, "Then I saw another beast come up out of the earth; it had two horns like a lamb's but spoke like a dragon". George and Company want you to think this is the Papacy. They want you to think that because the Church celebrates Sunday as the Lord's day and not their Old Testament Covenant, Saturday, that the Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is their foundation. They hold to the Old Testament Covenant. Jesus rose on Sunday, broke Bread on Sunday, the descent of the Holy Spirit came upon the Disciples on Sunday, St. John referred to Sunday as the "Day of the Lord".

Finally, the Pope has no control over the world's market to buy or sell anything. George and his group place this attack upon the Catholic Church, but in truth, the direct opposite is true. It will not be faithful Catholics that are following this false prophet and anti-Christ, it will be those who rebell against the Catholic Faith. Those who renounce God's soverignty in their lives.

Their standard for wisdom is based on a false premise, they ask the question "Do you have wisdom"? I place my soul, my sword, my name, and all I have in the Lord's hands and one day I will stand before him and be held accountable. My hope will be totally in Jesus as I hear him say, "Enter in my Father's house good and faithful servant".

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