Saturday, July 28, 2012

Debra Smith hangs herself yet again

If there is not else of value on her online rag, Debra JM Smith's gaffe machine is a treasure trove of comic relief. Consider her latest piece of theological and historical fiction.

Debra's nonsense will be in Blue. The truth will be in black.

Luke 10 verse 16 is NOT speaking of the Catholic Church. Jesus is speaking to those who follow Him, biblical born again believers, made alive in Christ, by the Holy Spirit.

This claim is so goofy as to defy belief. It just goes to show that Debra will say anything and she really doesn't care if there is any support for it or not.

The simple historical record stands directly in her way.

Jesus is saying these words to the disciples between 30-33 AD. The first words that would become part of the New Testament would not be written for at least another 15-20 years. The first gospel wasn't written until the 50's and the last (John's) was written close to the start of the second century.

So, the church existed for at least 65 years before the 27 books of the New Testament were even written, much less canonized and placed in a single volume. (That would not happen for almost another 300 years).

Debra JM Smith claims that the Bible existed from the start of the Christian church and that the Catholic church appeared 4 centuries later. Exactly the reverse is the case. The Catholic church existed from the start and preceded the Bible by 400 years.

Luke 10:16 "He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me."

 The word is atheteo and it means to reject or set aside

Jesus is saying that those who He sends out (all true biblical born again believers) with the truth of His word, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the message of being saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone, are sent by Him.

The text suggests nothing of the sort. Debra just made that up. The text actually says the opposite, directly binding the authority of Christ, and the Father, to the teaching authority of the Apostles. He who rejects you, rejects me. This explicitly refutes the notion of Christ alone and confirms the Biblical standard that always existed of an earthly authority through whom God speaks (the prophets etc..)
Jesus is saying that people who hear, who He sends out, hear Him. This is because those who He sends out, speak His message, His word.

Debra has just defended the concept of infallibility, as it pertains to people and refuted her own doctrine of Sola Scriptura.

 He is also saying that people who despise who He sends, despise Him and therefore despise He who sent Him.

Yes, those who rejected the authority where the forerunners of today's Christ-rejecting protestants.
There is no name of a church involved in this scripture. This scripture is speaking of true biblical born again believers in Christ, going out and preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the true gospel of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone.

A completely circular argument with no support whatsoever. The fact is that Debra cannot prove any protestant existed before 1517 or that any protestant of her particular dispensationalist/ born againist/ non-denominationalist / zionist stripe is any older than disco.

The Catholic church, on the other hand, is specifically named by Luke (the other of this Book) in the Book of Acts, Chapter 9, verse 31;

Ekklesia Kath Holos is the literal Greek origin of The Catholic Church. It is used at least as far back as 110 AD, by Ignatius of Antioch.

The message that comes from the Catholic church is not Jesus' message. 

Fallacy: Unsubstantiated premise *yawn*

The Catholic church's message includes the Catholic church itself, the false claim of Mary being a "co-redeemer" with Jesus, and man's works.

Mary is called a co-redemptrix and that argument has nothing to do with exegesis of Luke 10:16. Debra is trying to divert attention from her obvious inability to properly exegete this passage.

The Catholic church's message is NOT one of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone.

and that is a good thing, because salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone is a false and heretical message that is actually an affront to who Christ is.

 --So, no, anyone who comes with the Catholic church's message is coming with a different gospel.

A different gospel than the one created by the protestant deformers who are currently baking in hell? Yes. Our gospel is different from that gospel because ours was received from Jesus, Himself and not some 15th-20th century wolves in sheep's clothing.

 And we see in Galatians 1:8 what scripture says about such people: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."

By your own words shall you be condemned, Debra (Luke 19:22)

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